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He would take me to lunch with his friends, and I'd interrupt and all of a sudden start asking, if we were out with you, Michael, I'd start asking Mr. Knowles, you know, hey, how do you book your guests and how do you know when to switch subjects during your monologue?

And what do you pick? How do you pick what's there sitting on your desk right now? And my dad would tap his watch. And that was my signal to A, stop talking,

but to B, bookmark that moment. And then we'd go back, almost like watching game film.

Michael was talking about his kids. Why'd you interrupt him to talk about his sponsors? I don't know,

Dad. I'm very excited to talk to my friend Leland Vitter.

I'm trying to think if, you know, I've been on Leland's show a number of times and his shows a number of times. I'm trying to think this might be Leland's debut. He's Leland, you know, he's like a serious news guy. So he's like, he's not just one of these, you know, like fluffy commentator, influencer type. He's like a serious news guy.

So I don't know that we've had him on the show, actually.

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