I think that a lot of the fat activists, especially the ones who have any amount of visibility online,

I do think that there's like an added pressure that I think people put on themselves to always project this image of strength and you know achieving

this optimum idea of what body positivity or fat positivity is.

But I think that it's really humanizing when we can say,

no I've had a fucking shit day.

It gets better because it has to get better.

We're all made of human.

Hello, you are listening to the Made of Human

Podcast. I am your host Sophie Hagen and I'm gonna make the intro

an out show as short as I possibly can because it's a long episode. I was considering doing it in a two-part-up, but I feel like you need the whole thing and do stick it out because it ends up in a place.

I did not expect it to end up in. As a place I'm very grateful, we did end up in because it gave me quite a lot as a human being to talk about with someone.

Please please please go and check the trigger warnings for this episode.

It gets quite dark and you want to be prepared for what we will talk about.

Now that goes for all of the episodes by the way, always read the trigger warnings.

And if you have any specific triggers try and tweet me to make sure if so I can tell you if we talk about it or not.

But with Kobe, I very rarely do the, I very rarely record the intro's straight after the guest has left, but that's what I'm doing right now.

I'm eating Tim Tams because Kobe brought Tim Tams, which I think is an Australian thing like a cookie thing.

She also brought me milk

Which sets her apart from the other Melbourne guest I've had who also brought me symptoms. I'm really enjoying this new

concept of guests bringing me local treats. I'm all on board with that. But Kobe literally just

left my hotel room

and I thought that I would do the intro now.

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