I think that I'm in a constant state of deconstructing and reconstructing my body, my identity, and my relationship to my body,

because I'm learning every day, I'm learning every day I'm reading every day and I discover new

things that teach me new ways how to like feel less like something separate from

my body. You are listening to Made of Human also noticed that Mopard

a podcast hosted by Sophie Hagen,

who is a Danish comedian?

Trying to find out how to do life

But it turns out nobody knows Mopah.

Thank you so much for choosing to listen to this episode of the Mad of Human

Podcast. It's a special episode. I know I keep saying that because in a way they're all

special but it is really is a special episode both because it's

Kivin Bay and Kivin Bay is just one of my heroes and someone I'm so proud to call

her friend.

Kian Bay is a fat activist from the States and he's just this amazingly cool,

trans, queer, funny activist academic I actually don't even know if he is an academic

but he definitely reads academic texts and understands them and explains them to me so that I can understand them.

He's incredible.

So what happened was about a year ago

when I was still in the middle of writing my book,

which will be out soon. I wanted to interview a bunch of people

with sort of different backgrounds than my own so that I could represent other viewpoints in my book than just my own boring white blah, blah,

blah, viewpoint. So I interviewed Kevin and we did that by me sending what's that messages, voice messages to him and then he would send voice messages over what's that back.

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