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From WBEZ Chicago, this is Nerdette.

I'm Tricia Bobita.

And I am a mildly congested Greta Johnson. I would have stayed in bed today, but I was just so excited about who our guests are today. We have Linda Holmes. Linda, you are NPR's must-hear podcast host. Your show is called Pop Culture Happy Hour. And we are so happy to have you here. Welcome, Linda. Oh, thank you so much. And Jim, you host a little show called Sound Opinions. Will you tell us about it? I do. It's always fun when it airs on BEZ and you get to

announce that because you're working on Saturday. It's the world's only rock and roll talk show.

Oh, it's the world. I thought it was America's only rock and roll band. I mean, there might be others, but we're the only one that matters. In our, you know, rock and roll boasting opinion, it's all in good nature. So Linda, watching TV is sort of your job, essentially, as you are the pop culture happy hour host. But Jim, I wonder, you know, you're more, you're the music guy. How much TV do you watch? I watch quite a bit because my wife is the

movie and television editor at the Tribune. So, uh, she's always getting those wonderful links to screeners and

we can be four or five weeks ahead in a series. And it's nice to have something in your life that

doesn't involve music. So, you know, to decompress. And this is a golden age of television. I teach criticism at Columbia College. You guys know that. And, I mean,

right now, the merger of what used to be film and what used to be television and the possibilities

of where it's going, people are making novels in the form of six and eight episode seasons on

television. You know, you have people like Scorsese

saying that. A movie for me is now a short story, but Borewalk Empire was my novel. So what we are

hoping that you can do for our nerd at listeners, Jim and Linda, is to join Greta and I in laying out

the show that we love the most that we feel is the most underappreciated and also talk about the show we're most excited about that's starting this fall. So I will start with the show that we love the most that we feel is the most underappreciated and also talk about the show

we're most excited about that's starting this fall. So I will start with the show that I feel is too

underappreciated. And I have to say, I think this works really well with the idea of like the

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