Dr. Amy Edmondson wants you to fail.

Well, kind of.

She wants you to learn how to fail well.

That's the subject of her new book, The Right Kind of Wrong, The Science of Failing Well.

Amy is a professor of leadership at Harvard Business School, and her groundbreaking work

on the concept of team psychological safety has changed the way we look at workplace culture

so we sat down to talk about why we fear failure so much, what it means to fail, and

how failing might actually be the secret ingredient to success.

This is a bit of optimism.

Amy Edmondson, thank you for joining me.

I'm actually very, very excited to talk to you because you study a subject that I think

flags many people.

In fact, I dare to say everyone, which is the fear of failure.

What I find fascinating about your study, and I see this in my work as well, which is

we are constantly bombarded with conflicting instructions about failure.

Like we must never fail, or the rise, especially in the tech world, of fast failure.

And so how do I reconcile?

How do we reconcile the fact that I'm never supposed to do something that I'm supposed to

do often?

Well, first of all, thank you.

Thank you so much for having me.

Thank you for being interested in the subject.

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