Facebook vs the World

TALKING POLITICS

Catherine Carr

News, News & Politics

4.7 • 2.5K Ratings

🗓️ 29 March 2018

⏱️ 45 minutes

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With the help of John Naughton and Jennifer Cobbe we unpick the Cambridge Analytica story and get to the heart of the matter: what is Facebook doing to us and can anything make it stop? We talk about the business of surveillance capitalism and the difference between a scandal and a crisis. Plus how working in tech is like working on the Manhattan Project and how Cambridge Analytica is like the Australian cricket team.

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0:00.0	Hello, my name's David Rundsenman and this is Talking Politics.
0:10.0	We said we were going to talk about Cambridge Analytica and we are, but we don't think
0:14.1	that that's the real story.
0:15.4	This is about Facebook and this is about surveillance capitalism and that's what we're going
0:19.9	to talk about today.
0:28.1	Talking Politics is brought to you in partnership with the London Review of Books,
0:30.8	Europe's leading magazine of books and ideas.
0:34.9	We've already had some LRB writers on this podcast, and we'll have some more soon.
0:38.5	There's a reading list of pieces to accompany the podcast at Lrb.co.com.uk forward slash talking along with a special subscription offer for talking politics listeners.
0:46.1	Twelve issues of fearless, expansive, elegant writing for just £12. It's a pleasure, as always, to have John Norton on the podcast. 12 pounds.
0:58.4	It's a pleasure, as always, to have John Norton on the podcast.
1:04.1	John's weekly column in The Observer is the must read if you want to understand this story and more generally what technology is doing to our politics.
1:07.1	It's also a pleasure to welcome for the first time Jennifer Copp, who is the coordinator of a new research initiative in Cambridge, which is about trustworthy technologies.
1:17.0	And that really is what we're here to talk about. Jennifer wrote a piece in Open Democracy last week, which said in different terms something similar to what John said in his column at the weekend, which is
1:27.6	this is not primarily about Cambridge Analytica. It's much, much bigger than that. And people
1:33.1	have been missing what's really going on here. So we're going to try and unpick that before we
1:37.5	get on to some of the wider questions about what the hell is Facebook and what does it want.
1:42.7	John, why do you think that people have missed the real story?
1:45.8	What's wrong with focusing on Cambridge Analytica?
1:48.4	The main thing about Cambridge Analytica is that in a way, it's kind of like a throwback
1:52.6	to the good old days of Richard Nixon and the Watergate plumbers.
1:57.2	Because when I was watching Alexander Nix, the former CEO of Cambridge Analytica,
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