This is episode of 51 of Books and Ideas and I'm your host Dr. Ginger Campbell.

Today I'm going to be talking with Dr. Jacques Pangip about the emotional lives of animals.

This is Dr. Pangip's first time on books and ideas, but he has been my guest twice on the brain science podcast.

In episode 65 we talked about his classic textbook

Effective Neuroscience, the foundations of human and animalotions, and more recently in episode 91 we talked about his new book

The Archaeology of Mind, Neuro Evolutionary Origins of Human Emotions. Dr. Pangip is evolutionary origins of human emotions.

Dr. Pangip is a pioneer in the field of effective neuroscience,

but today we're going to be discussing the implications of his discovery for our relationship with animals.

I will be back after the interview to sum up the main ideas,

but before we jump into the interview, I just want to remind you that

complete show notes and free episode transcripts are available for every

episode of books and ideas. They're on our website at books and ideas.com and you can send me email at dockartamus at gmail

dot com.

Jack it's great to have you on books and ideas and really a special privilege to get to talk to you again so soon.

Thanks, Ginger.

So for the sake of my listeners who might be new to your work, would you take just a few minutes

to tell us just a little bit about your background?

Sure.

I'm Yach Panket, Professor of Animal Sciences and Neuroscience here at Washington State University.

We have a center for the study of Animal Well-being.

The goal of our group is to better understand the nature of animals, both their

minds and their behaviors in order to improve research and improve our understanding of the

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