Welcome back to the Porto's Almanac. This is Andy, your host, and today we have a great interview with Dr. Lynn Hunsinger.

We're going to be talking about ecology and rangeland management, specifically in California.

She wrote this very unique book called Working Landscapes, the Spanish DeHasas and California

ranches, which looks at the similar and different characteristics of these two unique

ecologies and how we can learn

from the DeHesa model for what California's climate looks like today and what it will look like

in the future. So I think this is a really important and special episode. So please take a listen

and let us know what you think.

Lynn, thanks so much for taking some time to chat.

Please tell us a little bit about yourself and your work.

Thanks very much, Andy.

I'm really pleased to be able to talk with you about one of my favorite subjects today.

I'm a professor of range ecology and management at the University of California,

Berkeley. And that means the ecology of grasslands, woodlands, and shrublands, basically.

Awesome. I came across your name because of a book you wrote, or you were one of the editors,

I think you might have had something to do with the writing as well, called Mediterranean Oak Woodland Working Landscapes, which essentially compared Spain to California

in terms of Rangelands. And it was a really interesting book from an ecological perspective,

but it also really thoroughly walks through the challenges of trying to compare things that might

superficially be very similar. So first I want to ask what spurred this project. Well, a number of

us were doing research in Spain and looking at the Dehasa and how the woodlands of Spain are managed.

And they are, you know, they look a lot like

California, woodlands. So I think what you said in your introduction is very interesting to talk about

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