This is the Exploring Astrology Podcast, and I'm your host Adam Summer.

It's time for a new story.

I suggest that the stories we need turned up right on time about 5,000 years ago.

We need a new story. We didn't just dream our carefully individuated thoughts. We got dreamt. Well here's the 2018 my dear listeners hope it's feeling as good for you as it is for me. I'm in my new studio

I got a new studio and it is in in a closet, but like a great closet. Sound foam all

over the place. I think there's going to be a lot of great

podcasts that happen in here. Like this one, a show which travels to the origin of all things that you might be interested in like plants and planets and magic the gifts of hermies essentially mercury and

he's the one that gave us a different kind of triangle of needs than Venus has, like salt and sulfur and mercury, essentially the gift of alchemy.

And that's what this show's about.

I have Saja Papum on the show tonight,

and I'm recording this on Sunday the 7th of January in the evening in my

closet and he and I talked at the beginning of December, but because of the holidays and other

podcasts that I had to put out, we're doing it now. I think it's timeless in that way.

We don't talk about any particular transit other than

Mercury retrograde and how it might relate to long issues which

Got both of us and it's over now. I'm not coughing.

I'm not clearing my throat anymore.

It's over.

And so who is Saja?

I'll give him a greater introduction here in a bit, but he's I think the most recommended

guest that I've had for the show as far as the Plants and planets because ever since I started those shows about a year ago, a little bit longer than that.

A lot of folks, I think students are his out west are now all over the place because his classes are online have told me I got to get this guy

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