This is the Exploring Astrology Podcast, and I'm your host Adam Summer.

It's time for a new story.

I suggest that the stories we need turned up right on time about 5,000 years ago.

We need a new story. We didn't just dream our carefully individuated thoughts. We got dreamt. Oh, why, hello there, my devoted listeners of the wind.

Welcome to another show.

This one.

Oh, hello there, my devoted listeners of the wind.

Welcome to another show, this one with one of my best friends in the world,

Alec Verkelin Brogan.

And he joins me in what would be the first of a small series of podcasts all about

Chiron actually in that first of all the final square between Chiron and his father, Saturn,

is coming up on November 2nd of 2017 and recording this on the 21st of October. So actually I didn't even think about it but that's the first day of my retreat of my first treat of my life that is happening and I'm excited about that I

think most would think that to be an auspicious aspect to start your your retreat career around but hey we sold out I'm really excited about it and

it's feeling very chiron-like and what do I mean by that well for example in this conversation I get myself

into deep waters as usual with my foot lodged in my mouth talking about shamans and wounded healers and such.

And I was going to edit it out, but no, I think it's important the way in which we cover the subject because when we're talking about

Chiron, in some sense we are also talking about the

archetype of shaman, the wounded healer is a true shaman. Now we live in an age where that word is thrown around a lot.

You could be a digital shaman, you can be an urban shaman, you can be a weekend

warrior kind of shaman, you did something with Sandra Ingramin or Serge King or something like this,

you drank Ayahuasca with a shaman. You learn music with a

shaman, so you do drumming, shmonic drumming like a shaman. I mean all of these words relate I just think it's semantics and it needs

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