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articles and early access to Colette social events. And this week my guest is

going to talk about a word that many of you might not have heard before, autogenophilia.

It's a word that describes the experience of a biological man who is sexually aroused by the

thought of himself as a female, so much so that in some cases an autoginophile will be moved to begin

self-identifying as a trans woman, often in middle age. Now there are those who don't like to talk about this word because it

presumes that at least in some cases the root cause of being transgender is

sexual and you're not supposed to think that. As many listeners will know, the

doctrinaire progressive view is that sexuality and gender identity are

completely separate. But my guess this week, English author and trade unionist Debbie Hayton, says that that separation simply doesn't exist for many transgender individuals,

certainly not for autoginophiles such as herself.

In Debbie's new book, Transsexual Apostate, my journey back to reality, she explains how she came to terms with her inwardly focused sexual attraction, and how that realization actually helped her deal with

biological reality and her urge to present as a woman as she now does.

Your accent I was getting trouble when I talked to pretty much anybody outside of Canada or New England

when I tried to identify where they're from. It almost sounds Scottish.

I'm from the north of England, so I'm not from Scotland but from about a hundred case south of the

Scottish border. Some people can get a bit touchy about it or the British and the

Irish if you get that wrong you can be in trouble. Anybody who reads your

book will be struck by your tendency to fall back on physics analogies.

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