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Pablo Torre Finds Out
Pablo Torre
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🗓️ 2 December 2025
⏱️ 58 minutes
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Summary
He's the tall guy in the notorious Mar-a-Lago video with Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein. He's lived at the intersection of sports, politics and high society. What does Tom McMillen have to say for himself, after the release of the new Epstein files? Pablo asks the difficult questions, in an increasingly awkward interview.
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to Pablo Torre finds out. |
| 0:02.5 | I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is. |
| 0:07.2 | I really didn't do this interview, but hashtag something 30 years ago that I barely remember. |
| 0:13.7 | Right after this ad. |
| 0:31.4 | So... So the number one thing that people keep asking me to do on this show is look into the Epstein Files. |
| 0:38.3 | And so what I should probably just tell you, finally, is that for more than a year now, I've been thinking about one specific piece of this story, a video that I am guessing you've already seen. |
| 0:46.5 | The footage shot in November of 1992, before Trump opened the resort as a club, shows the future president |
| 0:56.4 | surrounded by cheerleaders for the Buffalo Bills and Miami Dolphins, capturing Trump's |
| 1:02.4 | fun-loving Bachelor lifestyle for an appearance on Faith Daniels NBC Talk Show. |
| 1:08.1 | We're going to get great ratings in your show. |
| 1:09.9 | After a while, Trump goes to greet three new guests, among them, the financier Jeffrey |
| 1:16.4 | Epstein. |
| 1:17.4 | Come on in, show inside. |
| 1:18.4 | More than a decade before his guilty plea on state prostitution charges. |
| 1:23.0 | Donald Trump knew the cameras were there. |
| 1:24.9 | In the video, he makes a point to draw Epstein's attention to them. |
| 1:28.3 | And the video captures Donald Trump and Epstein chatting while watching a group of women at the party dance. |
| 1:35.3 | It's not an image that matches Trump's declaration that he was not a fan of Epstein. |
| 1:42.3 | This viral video is arguably the most famous artifact in the most infamous story in modern American politics. |
| 1:50.0 | But as a sports journalist, the thing that caught my eye wasn't Trump or Epstein. |
| 1:56.0 | It was a background character who had been hiding in a way that would otherwise be impossible at 6'11, |
| 2:04.1 | basically in plain sight. |
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