Hello, everyone. It's been a while. Sorry. I have a few episodes that I recorded since September, and I just haven't published them. So here we go. This episode is with Daniel Ortoner, and I hope you enjoy.

Welcome, everyone to another episode.

I have a guest, I've been meaning to have on since I started the podcast.

And then I saw you on Stephen Panickers channel,

Mormon book reviews, and then anyways. So when I initially wanted to interview you,

you were a practicing Latter-day Saint and now you converted to like Protestant Christianity. So that's, I guess I'm too late. I could have had both, but I could have had the before and after.

I know.

But I remember you shared an interview that you did on an atheist channel,

and so I'll put that in the notes.

And you did talk about, you were a practicing Latter-day Saint at that point,

and then you talk about

how you grew up and stuff so i'll post i'll post that interview and then i'll also post

the mormon book review interview and honestly i just went and re-listen to that one i had some

questions in my outline and i realized that you already talked about it with

Steven. So I was like, I'm not going to do the same thing. So I'm happy to talk about anything,

anything you want. I also was on Lynn Wilder's podcast talking about, in more detail about my

story. Oh, I didn't realize that. Oh, so I did her, I was on her podcast earlier this year as well. Oh, I'll, I'll find that and link that too then. I didn't realize that. Oh, so I was on her podcast earlier this year as well.

Oh, I'll find that and link that too then.

I didn't realize that.

So we'll get, I was going to ask about Lynn Wilder later on.

I guess before I get too far, a lot of the listeners probably don't know who you are.

So if you want to explain kind of your journey and then, yeah, if you want to summarize it,

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