We cover topics and as much depth as we can in 60 to 90 minutes on the liturgist

podcast, but sometimes there's still a lot left on the table, things to unpack and explore.

And to do that, we've been trying something new online video workshops.

This is a series of 15 to 45 minute videos and 8, 10 or 12 videos long.

We take a topic that we may have started to explore on the liturgist podcast and then go

into much more depth.

We've just launched the first two such video courses.

We have one on meditation.

So if you're trying to learn to meditate or deepen your meditation practice, we've

got an entire course about that.

Or if you're looking at the anyogram and how it applies to deconstruction and faith transitions

and even spiritual formation, we've done an entire video course on that.

And I mean these things are deep.

They exceeded my wildest expectations now that we've actually produced them and I hope

there's something you're going to really enjoy.

So if you'd like to learn more about either of these video courses, simply go to shop.thelidurgist.com.

This is Jen Hatmaker, bestselling author, preacher, pastor, and all around media personality.

Science Mike and William Matthews sat down to interview her recently.

Okay, so we're here today with the one and only Jen Hatmaker.

I'm really excited to have you be part of the liturgist podcast with us.

And we're talking about something that's really, I don't know, a big part of my life.

And I think a big part of a lot of our listeners.

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