I'm John Bachelors of my colleague Judy Dempsey.

She is the editor-in-chief of Strategic Europe. She is in Berlin. Strategic Europe is a email and a website that you can read,

makes it possible for you to read the many voices of the European Union and all the languages

organized for the future.

Yes, it's trade, but also right now it's security not only for Ukraine, but for the whole of the EU.

So what does it look like?

Imagining the US exiting, which is not out of the question.

Europe must deal with that, as the America must deal with it.

A NATO without the U.S. what does that mean?

However, because it's possible and because we have a taste of it right now

with the U.S. Congress turning its back on Ukraine,

similarly to how it turned its back on,

oh, Vietnam, once upon a time, Afghanistan recently.

It's odd, but we come to expectations on these colleagues of Judy's

commenting. And Judy, I go to the Frenchman, Francois Iceborg. I'm presuming

he's French, he might be. I'll say Sloane you know it could be in between no no he's

French yes but he's talking not just about the EU but he's talking about NATO as

well the concerns of everybody contributing

that is a very large talking point to the populace in the Congress does the EU

confront that fact without full participation according to promises that it

makes it easy for the population as populist in Congress to drop the argument and walk away?

The EU is its own rest enemy.

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