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ETH's HTTP Moment? How Ethereum Interop Layer Hopes to Fix L2 Fragmentation - Ep. 953

Unchained

Laura Shin

News, Tech News, Business News

4.61.3K Ratings

🗓️ 20 November 2025

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Thank you to our sponsors! Uniswap Mantle The rise of Ethereum layer 2s has created a need for interoperability. While several solutions have emerged over the years, Ethereum Interop Layer promises to be trustless. At Ethereum Devconnect, the EF’s  developers Yoav Weiss and Marissa Posner join Unchained to explain why trustlessness is necessary for interoperability. They also delve into how EIL differs from NEAR Intents and how it could unlock new use cases and spark an explosion of activity on Ethereum. Guests: Marissa Posner, Product on the Account and Chain Abstraction Team at the Ethereum Foundation Yoav Weiss, Research on the Account and Chain Abstraction Team at the Ethereum Foundation Links: Unchained: Zcash Developer Reveals Q4 Roadmap What’s the Best Way for Ethereum to Grow? Justin Drake and Martin Köppelmann Debate Why the Privacy Coins Mania Is Much More Than Price Action Timestamps: 🚀00:00 Introduction 🤔4:11 What is Ethereum Interop Layer? 🤷‍♂️5:20 What Ethereum Interop Layer is trying to solve 📍7:08 Marissa explains why trustlessness is necessary for interoperability ⛓️8:21 Yoav describes the current state of L2 fragmentation 🔮9:17 How Yoav and Marissa came to work on EIL ⚙️11:53 How EIL works 🔬18:10 How EIL compares to NEAR Intents 🤔22:19 Does EIL bring new security risks? 🚀23:12 Can EIL unlock Ethereum’s HTTP moment? 📌28:26 What EIL wouldn’t make sense for 💭30:09 How EIL can supercharge wallets 📆34:18 EIL’s mainnet timeline 💥35:51 Whether EIL could lead to an explosion of Ethereum activity ⛓️39:06 Why chain security matters 🤔41:17 Does EIL increase attack vectors? 🔮43:20 The future of bridges 📜45:31 The trustless manifesto Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Each roll-up feels like its own island.

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I mean, inside each roll-up, it feels like Ethereum used to be, but with a cheaper block space

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and more bandwidth of block space.

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But once you need to transact across roll-ups, the experience is that you need to bridge

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if to the other chain so that you can pay for gas.

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You need to bridge your assets.

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So it's like you sign a transaction to bridge, you send it through a bridge, you wait,

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