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The Shift with Sam Baker

Esther Freud on motherhood, guilt and upending your life in your 50s

The Shift with Sam Baker

Sam Baker Ltd

Society & Culture, Health & Fitness, Personal Journals

4.8525 Ratings

🗓️ 8 June 2021

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

How does it feel to come from a family with a legend? If you’re today’s guest, novelist and playwright Esther Freud (daughter of painter Lucian Freud and great granddaughter of Sigmund Freud) you work with that legacy to produce some of the finest novels of the last thirty years. Her first Hideous Kinky, based on her unusual childhood, was made into a film starring Kate Winslet and after the follow-up, Peerless Flats, she was named one of Granta’s Best Young Novelists. Scroll forward a couple of decades and her ninth novel, I Couldn’t Love You More, comes full circle, this time exploring aspects of her family’s history through the lens of three generations of mothers. (Bring tissues!) Over the next 40 minutes Esther talks candidly about motherhood, guilt, shame, the way women are constantly judged, her own entangled family history, how the onset of menopause made her question everything and why now 57 she’s happier than ever.  CONTENT WARNING: There’s some conversation about forced adoption and Ireland’s mother and baby homes that some people may find upsetting. You can buy all the books mentioned in this podcast at Bookshop.org, including the book that accompanies this podcast, The Shift: how I lost and found myself after 40 - and you can too by Sam Baker and I Couldn't Love You More by Esther Freud. The Shift (on life after 40) with Sam Baker is created and hosted by Sam Baker and edited by Emily Sandford. I'd love to hear what you think - please rate and review, or let me know on twitter @sambaker or instagram @theothersambaker. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Jamie Lang and Sophie Haboo have arrived on Disney Plus.

0:04.5

We're having a baby.

0:05.5

We're having a baby.

0:07.2

I've always wanted to be mom.

0:09.4

And we're bringing you on our journey through everything.

0:12.4

I have no idea what we're doing.

0:13.6

Thank you. I have more of an idea.

0:15.6

I think of it like a Tamagocchi.

0:17.8

At the end of all of this...

0:20.0

We're going to have a little baby.

0:21.8

Raising Chelsea, a Hulu original series streaming exclusively on Disney Plus.

0:27.3

18 plus subscription required T's and T supply.

0:35.1

Hello and welcome to The Shift, the podcast that aims to tell the no-holds-barred truth about being a woman post-40, created and hosted by me, journalist and author Sam Baker.

0:45.3

How does it feel to come from a family with a legend? If you're today's guest, novelist and playwright Esther Freud, you work with that legacy to produce some of the finest novels

0:54.9

of the last 30 years. Her first, hideous kinky, based on her unusual childhood, was made into a film

1:01.8

starring Kate Winslet, and after the follow-up, Peerless Flats, she was named one of Granta's

1:07.5

best young novelists. Scroll forward a couple of decades, and her ninth

1:11.8

novel, I Couldn't Love You More, comes full circle. This time exploring aspects of her family's history

1:17.9

through the lens of three generations of mothers' best-brink tissues. So many things in my life and in my

1:24.3

marriage didn't suit me at all. And I didn't actually have any sign of

1:28.0

menopause. But I went to a doctor who said, no, I'm sorry. I have good news and bad news. You

1:33.3

have no menopause or symptoms. It's just your life. Over the next 40 minutes, Esther talks

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