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Stuff You Missed in History Class

Estevanico, aka Mustapha al-Azemmour

Stuff You Missed in History Class

iHeartPodcasts

History, Society & Culture

4.223.6K Ratings

🗓️ 18 August 2025

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

Estevanico was a translator and guide, and was probably the first person of any race from outside the Americas to enter what’s now Arizona and New Mexico – which happened in 1539.

Transcript

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0:00.0

This is an I-Heart podcast.

0:05.4

Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production of IHeart Radio.

0:16.0

Hello and welcome to the podcast. I'm Tracy V. Wilson.

0:19.9

And I'm Holly Fry.

0:24.5

Since we are going to Morocco in November,

0:28.3

I decided to pick an episode about Morocco.

0:31.0

I only kind of got there.

0:36.2

I chose somebody who's been on my list for a while who probably was born in Morocco,

0:39.2

but this story mainly takes place other places.

0:43.1

In the West, he's usually called Estevanico,

0:46.7

also spelled Estebanico,

0:49.3

because V and B have very similar pronunciations in Castilian Spanish. That, though, is a diminutive

0:59.6

form of Estevan, which English speakers usually say more like Estevan. People have used

1:07.6

that diminutive for him, which they also would have used for children, because he was enslaved.

1:14.2

I put the name, Estevanico, in the title of the episode, because that's what he is usually called in the United States and other predominantly English-speaking countries.

1:25.7

And I wanted people to be able to find the episode if they were looking for it.

1:31.9

But we are not going to call him that.

1:35.0

We don't know exactly when or where Estevan was born or what his name was from birth.

1:42.5

Estevan is probably the name that he took or was given when he converted from Islam to

1:48.7

Christianity.

1:50.0

In Morocco, he is more often known as Mustafa Azimur or Mustafa al-Asimor.

1:57.9

Mustafa is an Arabic name.

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