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Reveal

Escaping Putin’s War Machine

Reveal

The Center for Investigative Reporting and PRX

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4.78K Ratings

🗓️ 6 April 2024

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

As the war in Ukraine grinds into a third year, more Russian soldiers are attempting to escape frontline deployment, supported by an underground network of fellow Russians.

Associated Press investigative reporter Erika Kinetz follows the dramatic journey of one Russian military officer who deserted the army and fled Russia, guided by an anti-war group that has helped thousands of people evade military service or desert. The name of the group, Idite Lesom, is a play on words in Russian – a reference to the covert nature of its work but also a popular idiom that means "Get lost.”

With help from the group, the officer made the perilous journey to Kazakhstan, but only after he had a friend and fellow soldier shoot him in the leg.

“You can only leave wounded or dead,” he tells Kinetz. “No one wants to leave dead.”

His act of desperation reflects the horrific conditions troops face in Ukraine. But life in exile is not what this officer and other deserters had hoped for. Some have had criminal cases filed against them in Russia, where they face 10 years or more in prison. And many are also waiting for a welcome from European countries or the United States that has never arrived. Instead, they live in hiding, fearing deportation back to Russia and persecution of themselves and their families.

For Western nations grappling with Russia’s vast and growing diaspora, Russian military defectors present particular concern: Are they spies? War criminals? Or heroes?

Next, Reveal host Al Letson talks with Kinetz and fellow reporter Solomiia Hera about why these military defectors are not finding sanctuary in Western Europe or the U.S. and how demographics and Russian President Vladimir Putin’s willingness to accept enormous casualties in Ukraine could give Russia an edge in an emerging war of attrition.

In the final segment, we follow a Ukrainian man who knows all too well what a war of attrition really looks like. Oleksii Yukov is a martial arts instructor and leader of a team of volunteers who collect the remains of fallen soldiers, both Ukrainian and Russian. Yukov is on a spiritual quest to give these souls a final resting place.

“We are not fighting the dead,” Yukov says. “Our weapon is humanity and a shovel.”

Transcript

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0:00.0

From the Center for Investigative Reporting in PRX, this is reveal. I'm Alletton.

0:07.0

Cell phone calls from Russian soldiers fighting in Ukraine.

0:12.0

Hello. soldiers fighting in Ukraine. The calls reveal soldiers anger, fear and frustration over the war and exposed possible war crimes.

0:25.0

They were intercepted by Ukrainian authorities and obtained by Associated Press

0:32.8

Investigative reporter Erica Key Nets.

0:36.2

We heard some of them on reveal last year.

0:38.8

Since then, Erica got more, including calls showing soldiers' desperation as the war grinds on.

0:46.2

What's interesting about these intercepts is the number of people who spoke openly about

0:50.7

wanting out of the war. One of the men said he felt forgotten.

0:54.0

Their lives are worth nothing to Moscow

1:00.0

and they don't know what they're dying for anymore.

1:02.0

For some Russian soldiers, there's a way out of the war.

1:06.0

An underground network run by fellow Russians to help soldiers escape,

1:11.0

both the battlefield and also harsh treatment from the Russian

1:14.6

military but even far away from the war zone it can be hard to find a safe haven

1:20.0

for this episode we're partnering once again with the Associated Press.

1:24.0

With support from the Pulitzer Center, we go inside a secretive operation to undermine

1:29.6

President Vladimir Putin's war machine and save lives.

1:33.5

And a note before we start.

1:34.9

This week's show contains descriptions of graphic violence

1:38.5

and may not be appropriate for all listeners.

1:41.3

Here's Erica Keynets.

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