Oh, hey, it's your coworker who makes Bunt Cakes Allie Ward. And speaking of work, let's get right into it. How are we doing? How are our brains? How are you feeling? Are you feeling like a little bit like wilted lettuce? You feeling like a swollen infection going to pop? We get it. I get it. So this episode has been a long time coming. And I cornered one of the world's leading experts on burnout. They got their MBA at the University of Oregon and a doctorate of education at the University of Pennsylvania, where they are currently a senior fellow.

They're the director of the Penn Masters in Medical Education Program, too.

They wrote the book on burnout.

It's called burnout immunity.

So ergodology, it's the science of Ergon, which is work in Greek, and pathology,

which is something bad.

But what exactly is burnout?

Okay, obviously we're going to cover it, but if you're experiencing exhaustion, cynicism,

and professional inefficiency, you're going to want to keep listening.

Before we get to it, though,

thank you to all the patrons at patreon.com for submitting your questions for this episode. You can get

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much, like, for example, this week, Euphonium Shorty left a review that said, I couldn't possibly

care less about the making of street murals. At least that's what I thought until Ali explained

it all to me. That's happened to me at least a dozen times with this podcast. That's why I love it.

Amazing, really, the frequency with which they come out. If I could change one thing, they write, it'd be Allie taking better care of herself.

Euphonium Shorty, timely. I'm doing much better, and I'll tell you how I balance life with work

that I legitimately love. Also, speaking of love, lots of love back to reviewer Amari. You know who you are.

Okay, let's get into it. Please take a load off, lie down on a carpet. You can recline against a tree

trunk, take some time to listen and absorb the teachings about what is burnout, who burns out

faster than others, who doesn't burn out? What professions are more at risk for fatigue

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