Oh, hey, it's yesterday's medication in your jeans pocket.

Oops, Allie Ward.

Let's stab ourselves with information from a porcupine's business end.

We have a good one.

What a chat.

I remember getting off this interview and being like, this is why I make the show.

You're in for a treat.

Okay, so we've got an associate professor from San Luis Obispo's California Polytechnic State University, Cal Poly, who teaches courses

like Introduction to Wildlife Conservation and Administration. They studied ecology,

and environmental biology at Columbia University. They headed a UC Berkeley for a master's and

Ph.D. in environmental science policy and management. Bonus, they specialize in rodents.

What does it have to do with porcupines?

Everything. Porcupines are rodents.

What? Yep.

Big, beautiful, barbed rat-like creatures, and we love them.

Thank you also to Sarah Lissner Berman,

to listener Sarah Berman, who suggested this ologist singing their praises of their

porcupine enthusiasm. So we're going to get to it in a sec, but first thank you so much to everyone

who sends same questions, audio ones as well. You can submit them at patreon.com slash ologies. Thanks to

everyone wearing ologies merch from ologiesmerch.com. And thanks to everyone who leaves reviews

for the show, which helps

us so much, like this one from NJ Roadrunner, who wrote, if science could embody itself as a warm

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