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Sword and Scale

Episode 98

Sword and Scale

Incongruity

True Crime, Entrepreneurship, Business, Society & Culture, Documentary, History

461.1K Ratings

🗓️ 3 September 2017

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

"We lock our doors at night to keep the outside world, to keep evil out, right? ...but what happens when evil has a key?" Those were the words spoken by Nation Hahn, a man who knows first hand how evil can deceptively find its way into your home without warning.

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0:00.0

Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence and is not intended for all audiences

0:06.1

Listener discretion is advised

0:10.8

We lock our doors at night to keep the outside world to keep evil out, right?

0:17.4

But what happens when evil has a key?

0:20.2

Can't prepare for that

0:22.2

Welcome to season 4, episode 98 of Sword and Scale, a show that reveals that the worst monsters are real

0:52.2

This story will break your heart. It's a story of love, of friendship and of family

1:02.7

But at the same time, it's a story of deceit, of manipulation, and the coolest form of betrayal imaginable

1:09.4

But for now, let's start with the love story

1:12.8

I was a student at UNC and an email whenever a listserv asking for volunteers for a presidential campaign

1:28.6

So I showed up, I didn't meet her that night, but I kept emailing her basically begging for a task to be involved

1:35.9

And so finally, I think out of exasperation, more than anything, she gave me something to do, so I showed up this was probably end of January 2007 for a fundraiser

1:45.9

And they led me back to her and that's where I met her

1:49.9

That voice is a man named Nation Han

1:52.9

He is recounting the first time he met Jamie Kirk, the woman who had become his wife

1:58.9

The two became close friends while working on the John Edwards campaign together in 2007

2:05.9

As their friendship developed, the two spent more and more time together and began to develop feelings for each other

2:12.9

There was one instance in late December where we went out to borrow with friends and she drove me home and we had one of those awkward moments where you both set the car with one another and you're like

2:20.9

All right, good night and she was like, good night and I was like, well, I'll see you tomorrow or soon and she said, yeah, me too, and then we just sat there

2:28.9

And I was like, well, good night and she said, good night again and then I got out of the car and I think that was probably the specific night she wanted me to kiss her for the first time

2:37.9

But I was either too stupid or too cowardly to do it

2:41.9

After John Edwards dropped out of the presidential race, he held a reception to thank those who'd worked on his campaign

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