Episode 96 | Donald Trump's devious plans to throw the 2024 election into utter CHAOS

It's Complicated

Renato Mariotti

News, News Commentary, Politics

4.8 • 1K Ratings

🗓️ 4 November 2024

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Welcome back to our Election Edition of It’s Complicated! In this very special episode, hosts Asha Rangappa and Renato Mariotti are joined by attorney, author, and former U.S. Ambassador Norm Eisen. They discuss the potential chaos Trump could unleash on election night, as well as the complexities of reforming U.S. election laws. Subscribe to our Patreon here, where paid members will get access to exclusive portions of this show. patreon.com/reallyamericanmedia Norm Eisen, a veteran election law litigator, sheds light on the safeguards that have been put in place to prevent a repeat of 2020, emphasizing the importance of the Electoral Count Reform Act. According to Eisen, the legal landscape has shifted significantly since 2020, closing many of the loopholes Trump exploited in his previous campaign. Eisen, who helped shape the Electoral Count Reform Act and testified before Congress on the matter, breaks down the systemic changes made to prevent Trump’s election chaos from happening again. Norm assures our listeners that, this time, reforms have been made to fortify the certification process against using alternate slates of electors. He explains how, for example, the reform act has demystified the vice president's ceremonial role and defined it as purely ministerial. And despite the close-call potential in states like Pennsylvania and Michigan, Eisen remains optimistic that these changes will safeguard the democratic process. Asha urges our listeners to remain vigilant against disinformation and skewed information on social media, which can fuel doubt and unrest. Renato breaks down the potential legal disputes that Trump could still bring to the table. And together, they’ll assess the battleground states most likely to face litigation. We’ll see you next time for another incredible episode of It’s Complicated, as we keep you informed on the pivotal issues shaping the evolving landscape of election law. We’ll also be announcing a very special opportunity for you to join us for a cruise next July, so stay tuned for that! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	So, Asha, is Trump able to throw the entire election into chaos?
0:06.8	Eh, it's complicated.
0:12.7	I'm Asha Rangappa. I teach national security law at Yale University.
0:17.5	I'm a former FBI special agent, and I'm a legal contributor for ABC News. And I'm Renato Marietti. I'm a former FBI special agent and I'm a legal contributor for ABC News.
0:22.4	And I'm Renata Marietti. I'm a former federal prosecutor, a practicing lawyer, and a legal
0:28.0	analyst. And I'm Norm Eisen. I'm a longtime election law, litigator, among other topics, and a writer, an analyst, and a legal commentator for CNN.
0:47.8	And we're here to help you understand topics that can't be boiled down into a soundbite or a tweet.
0:58.0	Thank you, Norm, for joining us. I know that you have been running around, putting out election law fires.
1:05.0	And that's what we want to talk to you about today. So we're so glad that you have taken the time to join us.
1:10.0	With pleasure. I love to. we want to talk to you about today, so we're so glad that you have taken the time to join us.
1:20.2	With pleasure. I love to come on to it's complicated, but I think you should have a special title in response to your question about whether Trump can cause chaos, at least when it comes to outcome determinative chaos.
1:31.8	It's not complicated.
1:34.0	I worked on the Electoral Count Reform Act.
1:37.7	I testified in the Senate and contributed to the shaping of that legislation.
1:44.1	And since the attempted coup of 2020, and contributed to the shaping of that legislation.
1:48.5	And since the attempted coup of 2020,
1:53.2	federal and state laws have been transformed to prevent the kind of mischief making
1:56.5	that Trump undertook in 2020.
2:00.0	So, bluff, bottom line up front,
2:05.7	a lot of the ways that he made mischief in 2020,
2:10.1	they're no longer open to him.
2:12.8	And that's good news.
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