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Criminal

Episode 92: Dementia Americana

Criminal

Vox Media Podcast Network

True Crime, Society & Culture, Documentary

4.738.4K Ratings

🗓️ 1 June 2018

⏱️ 22 minutes

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Summary

This episode picks up where Episode 91 left off. We suggest you listen to them in order. The early 20th century's biggest murder trial, and a particular brand of "madness." Visit thisiscriminal.com to see rare photographs from Harry Thaw's trial. Cameras were not allowed in the courtroom, but Boston Globe photographer E.E. Bond snuck in a special camera, hidden in his vest and operated with a watch chain. Thanks to our friends at the Boston Public Library for allowing us to share them. For more information, check out Paula Uruburu’s book, American Eve. Say hello on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram. Sign up for our occasional newsletter, The Accomplice. Follow the show and review us on Apple Podcasts: iTunes.com/CriminalShow. We also make This is Love and Phoebe Reads a Mystery. Artwork by Julienne Alexander. Check out our online shop. Episode transcripts are posted on our website. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcript

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0:00.0

This episode picks up from our last episode, episode 91, The It Girl.

0:06.0

If you haven't listened to that one yet, you may want to go back and listen to them in order.

0:11.0

This story contains references to sexual violence and may not be appropriate for everyone. Please use discretion.

0:20.0

For a brief time, it seemed like maybe this was going to be okay and then of course he starts coming into her room at night and saying,

0:29.0

tell me again what Stanford White did to you. Tell me and she realized that part of the reason why he married Harlow was because he wanted to relive this experience over and over again about white.

0:41.0

He was so obsessed with him.

0:43.0

Harry Thaw was having Stanford White followed and Stanford White knew he was being followed.

0:50.0

Each man collected incriminating materials about the other. But the truth is both men had committed rape against a minor, punishable by a minimum sentence of 10 years.

1:03.0

If one were to come forward to accuse the other who would potentially incriminate himself, it was a standoff.

1:11.0

Harry Thaw encouraged Anthony Comstock and his society for the suppression of vice to look closely at Stanford White's relationships with young chorus girls.

1:22.0

Harry claimed that he personally had approached many, many mothers and warned them to keep their daughters away from Stanford White.

1:30.0

It was becoming clear that his obsession with bringing down Stanford White wasn't just about protecting the virginity of young girls.

1:39.0

We continue the story with Haustra Professor Paula Urburu.

1:44.0

Harry wanted to be a member of the clubs that White had built and designed and was a member of.

1:52.0

Because he had been blackballed from all of them. He blamed White for that. And New York City Manhattan was White's town.

2:00.0

So the second best thing he could do was to marry this woman who had such an intimate relationship with White and then he could sort of keep feeding this obsession of his, which was so, so dark and so crazy.

2:14.0

Because Stanford White had paid to have Evelyn's teeth fixed to make them perfect, Harry Thaw sent her back to a dentist to undo it and make them imperfect again.

2:25.0

He made Evelyn promise that if she ever saw Stanford White, even by coincidence in passing the chewed reported to him.

2:33.0

He told her to call him the beast or just the bee.

2:37.0

Evelyn had imagined that she and Harry would travel and she get to see the world. But in reality, they spent most nights at home with his family in Pittsburgh, who she described as in artistic.

2:51.0

One year into their marriage, Harry announced that he and Evelyn would go to Europe. On June 25th, 1906, they traveled from Pittsburgh to New York, where they would spend the night before boarding a ship to cross the ocean.

3:05.0

Harry says, oh, guess what? We're going to dinner tonight and we're going to the theater.

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