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This is a guest that I've wanted to have on since the early days of Real GM Radio, and that is Kevin Pelt and the VSPN. I've been a fan of

his almost forever, but not for the whole time, because that's actually where we start the

conversation is about his roots in basketball, starting with as a Sonics writer and then growing

into basketball prospectus and everything else. So we start there, and then we move into a

wide-ranging basketball conversation from some of our NBA utopia ideas to how we watch his games and things like that.

I think it's a great conversation.

It's one of my favorites that we've had on.

It runs an hour and 15 minutes, so hope you enjoy it.

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So I think a cool place to start with this is actually to start closer to your beginning.

And so at least in terms of my familiarity with you, that starts with Sonic Central, is that

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