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Hello and welcome to the LawFair podcast. I'm Benjamin Wittis. Our subject today is Jack's

interview with the president on cyber security. Okay, it was the president of the tiny nation

of Estonia, but still this is heady stuff. Tumas Hendrick Ilvis was president of Estonia

as he still is back in 2007 when it famously suffered a massive denial of service attack

emanating primarily from Russia on its government, banking, and other important websites. Ilvis

speaks flawless English, having grown up in New Jersey, and he's an expert in cyber security,

not only because of the 2007 attacks and their aftermath, but dating back to his computer

programming training in middle school and his leadership of Estonia's 1996 Tiger Leap

project that set Estonia on the path of digital sophistication that has made it one of the

most wired countries in the world. He spoke last week at Jack's International Cybersecurity

class at the Kennedy School, and before the lecture, he sat down for this interview.

So, reflecting on the last four years, what would you say the main lessons you and your

country have learned from the 2007 episode?

Another trivial, trivial that the attack took.

It's just DDoS attacks. I mean, it doesn't really, I mean, the sense of it was unique

and new, sitting in that there had never been this level of DDoS attacks at a government

at a country, right? So, if it's at a country that's different than do you do it for extortion,

and for that, I think it's just progress. So, in the Small Wars Journal of January 2011,

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