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The Charles C. W. Cooke Podcast

Episode 81: Dumb Tribalism

The Charles C. W. Cooke Podcast

National Review

News, Politics, Music, Arts, Books, Music History

51000 Ratings

🗓️ 13 February 2025

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

On episode 81, Charles talks to Andrew Heaton about his new book, 'Tribalism is Dumb: Where It Came from, How It Got So Bad, and What to Do about It.' Is tribalism bad per se, or is it just bad in politics. Why has it got so much worse recently? To what extent is technology to blame? What can we do about it?

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to episode

0:20.6

of the Charles C.W. Cook podcast.

0:26.4

I shall spare you the weather report this week because, once again, it is nice and sunny.

0:34.0

Is that a weather report perhaps? That's preterition.

0:41.8

Those pesky Romans would have said.

0:51.0

A couple of things before we start. A few people have asked me what the intro to the last episode was all about.

0:56.4

That was Luther Abel. Now, look, I don't know what I have to do to persuade you that Luther actually exists because it seems that a large portion of the audience of this show

1:03.3

doesn't believe that Luther exists. I can't do that accent. Also, we went on our roller coaster extravaganza trip together in August, and then he came

1:14.2

on the show to talk about it with me. So unless I did both sides of the conversation, or faked the

1:22.9

entire one-week trip, where it was really just me, and I pretended that it was him, sent in expense

1:29.2

reports for two people and double-bought tickets and hamburgers and motel rooms and so

1:34.0

forth, then you really do have to believe that Luther is a real person, just a dead one,

1:42.2

who isn't real.

1:45.7

I have been watching this television show.

1:49.6

I think I mentioned this on the editors.

1:51.6

That's the other podcast.

1:52.9

I'm on at National Review.

1:55.7

You should be listening to that podcast, too, if you're not already.

2:00.3

The television show is called kunk.

2:04.6

Kunk on.

2:06.0

And various words follow that.

2:09.0

And it features a fictional character played by Diane Morgan called Philomena Kunk.

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