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We're here at a hipster coffee shop because I wouldn't I tell you where we really are. But I'm here with my friend Professor Matt Sinkowitz and he's in town in Atlanta and you just got through doing a couple of events speaking and just doing what you do.

Good to have me in town, first of all.

Yeah, no, it's great to see you again in person.

Yeah.

So we go all the way back to Boston.

We've been covering, I cover politics and you and I have, you've been on the

podcast many, many times. You've hosted the podcast many times, so everyone when I

say your name, they know who you are. And what I, we just got through talking

about I think is hilarious that you like myself

really can care less about the impeachment proceedings. I am not I'm not into these I

got to be honest I mean for a number of reasons one we know we know they're not going anywhere right

so like the comparison that I made is every so often a friend asked me to do a

fantasy football draft but I know that we're going to stop playing midway and

not actually have a championship

right that is what these preliminary hearings are to me they are we you know

it there's some fun to it to there there's gossip there's things to talk about but basically we know they know the

parameters and then there will be no championship right there is no there is no

reasonable path at having an outcome here with the removal of a president.

It also does not seem like he is the kind of person who is going to be shamed into doing anything.

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