Episode 72, Plato’s Crito: Socrates in Prison (Part II - Further Analysis and Discussion)

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Jack Symes | Andrew Horton, Oliver Marley, and Rose de Castellane

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🗓️ 5 January 2020

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

Have you ever considered the invisible power of the law? How a contract is signed without ever putting pen to paper? Do not underestimate the importance of that which cannot be seen or grasped, since you unknowingly benefit from its presence and would suffer greatly in its absence. Therefore, if the law has kept you safe for all your best years, should you look to criticise it the moment it accuses?

Be careful not to pull too hard at that thread, for the social fabric appears tightly woven but is actually patched over the ages by many inadequate tailors. If you decide that the law doesn’t suit you now, are you not making yourself a special case? Isn’t everyone a special case? Would not everyone be pardoned?

So, what will it be: accept the law and therefore your fate, or set a precedent that demonstrates the contract is in fact as real as it is visible?

Contents

Part I. The Dialogue

Part II. Further Analysis and Discussion

Links

Plato, The Complete Works (pdf).

Transcript

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0:00.0	Pan
0:02.0	Pan
0:03.0	Psychist
0:05.0	Part 2, further analyses and
0:20.0	Discussion Happy New Year, gentlemen Part 2. Further analyses and discussion.
0:22.8	Happy New Year, gentlemen.
0:27.2	Our first episode of 2020.
0:29.7	It feels so good to be in 20-200.
0:32.8	We've been doing this for a long time.
0:34.9	Too long.
0:35.7	2016, we started the project. Is that right? It's been quite a while. This is going
0:40.2	this is the fourth year of the show. Wow.
0:42.8	Any New Year's predictions for the show? For this show? Yeah. I would like to. Can we say
0:49.5	that for the after show? We might be doing someone who rhymes with Mindcart.
0:53.8	What? Take it. Mind cut. You are so rubbish at this, Jack. The audience would have got it faster than you, and it was your idea. Well, we've still got Fido to come in the next episode. We'll be doing DayCard at some stage. We've said we want to do some on Hume. We've said we want to do some on Kant again, and we want to return, we want to do Shopenhauer, long requested topic. There's loads of awesome stuff and loads of great interviews lined up for you this year. And we want to do some stuff outside the podcast too, but we'll keep it under wraps for our esteemed patrons. Esteemed.com.4 slash panpsychast to get the inside scoop. Oh, yeah, but hopefully we're not going to be drinking hemlock anytime soon,
1:31.6	as Socrates might find himself doing in next week's episode.
1:36.4	Because this is, it doesn't leave on a good note, does he?
1:39.2	We've got a few different themes to pick out here in terms of the meaning behind the dialogue in Crito.
1:46.0	I guess we can separate these into two main camps.
1:50.6	We've got the arguments against Socrates staying in the cell and eventually dying from Crito,
1:56.5	like an appeal to Socrates in terms of the plans ready, you're doing all these things that are wrong. And then also breaking off of that and like a nice big branch is a deeper philosophical theme, which is known as the law's arguments. So do we have like obligations to the law no matter what? So two big ones there. Should we kick off with like the arguments Crito gives for Socrates? Fle flee with me, Socrates. The boat is ready
2:18.4	and the reasons he gives for this. Well, I mean, he kind of says, firstly, if you're worried about
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