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🗓️ 24 August 2023
⏱️ 50 minutes
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The investigation returns to Germany to answer more questions about Coco’s childhood. This time, we focus on Coco’s accusations against Sebastian, a therapist who Coco says held her hostage and abused her for two years. Spoiler: As near as we can tell, Sebastian never existed. But to our surprise, there is another therapist who seems to have acted unethically, if not illegally, in Coco’s care.
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0:00.0 | A dear media original podcast. A note before we get started. We are using AI generated voices in this |
0:06.4 | podcast and a warning. This episode includes mention of sexual violence against children, |
0:12.2 | of rape, suicide and |
0:14.0 | and disordered eating. |
0:15.7 | Listen with care. |
0:18.6 | When our composer Pete Redmond first sent us this particular piece of music, I was on a train between Stuttgart and Hanover. |
0:25.8 | It's the same trip that Coco Birthman says she took on November 2nd 2009 when she was just 15, |
0:32.3 | and in her version of the story running away from home for the first time. |
0:36.0 | As I sat on the train, listening to the score in my earbuds and looking out over the German countryside, |
0:42.0 | I wondered what it must have been like for and looking out over the German countryside, |
0:43.0 | I wondered what it must have been like |
0:45.0 | for Coco to take this journey all on her own. |
0:48.0 | Here's how she told the story on the Skinny Confidential Podcast. |
0:51.0 | During the night, I think it was like three or four in the morning, I woke up and it felt like somebody was |
0:58.6 | literally behind my bag saying you got to go and you got to go now. Coco really did run away that night. |
1:04.0 | Her mother, Renata Ruf, confirms it. |
1:07.0 | Or at least she confirms a lot of it. |
1:09.0 | While I'm talking, it's just like being there again, |
1:11.0 | my heart beating so fast. my door quietly tipped down the |
1:14.8 | spiral staircase did you even have a spiral staircase I know this sounds |
1:20.3 | silly but just want to know okay Kershine Silum is translating for me as I talked to Renata over video chat. |
1:28.8 | So no, they had straight stairs, no spiral staircase. |
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