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The Panpsycast Philosophy Podcast

Episode 68, The Abigail Thorn Interview (Part II - Further Analysis and Discussion)

The Panpsycast Philosophy Podcast

Jack Symes | Andrew Horton, Oliver Marley, and Rose de Castellane

Euthanasia, Kierkegaard, Nietzsche, Existentialism, Marxism, Kant, Ethics, Davidpapineau, Dennett, Marx, Evilgodchallenge, Cosmological, Mind, Consciousness, Courses, Nagasawa, Education, Johnstuartmill, Jeremybentham, Aristotle, Ocr, Camus, Josephfletcher, Conscience, Society & Culture, Kantianethics, Philosophy

4.8604 Ratings

🗓️ 10 November 2019

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

Abigail Thorn is an actor and educator, best known as the creator and host of the popular YouTube channel Philosophy Tube. Boasting around half a million subscribers, Abigail’s channel is notorious for its well-researched content and colourful presentation. With over six years of videos under her belt, it is fair to say that Abigail is going over and above in her goal of giving away her philosophy degree for free.

In this episode, we’ll be getting at the person behind Philosophy Tube, discussing the role and responsibilities of those contributing to public-facing philosophy. When we present philosophy in the public sphere, what are our goals? Should they the same as those in the philosophy seminar room - our desire being rigorous, detailed, delicate contemplation - or does public media demand something else? In short, do we need to change our ways to make philosophy accessible?

[Note: Abigail Thorn came out as a transgender woman in January 2021. This episode was recorded pre-transition.]

Contents

Part I. Behind Philosophy Tube

Part II. Further Analysis and Discussion


Transcript

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0:00.0

Pan, pan, psychist.

0:05.0

Part two, further analyses and discussion. Oli, you're a Kant episode. You kick off and you talk about how Kant actually was a bit of a racist and we idealise him as this guy who walks around the town at the same time every day. And we've done a Kant. We've mentioned Kant quite a lot on the podcast.

0:35.6

Yeah, because it's a running joke that I'm a Kantian for some reason.

0:38.3

Which is true.

0:40.0

Because you're a massive racist.

0:45.0

That's not true.

0:45.9

Yeah.

0:48.0

Work at a school.

0:49.0

It doesn't really help.

0:51.3

Like, do you think it's, do you think we have to mention that like cancer racist when we talk about it? Like, can we separate the philosopher from the philosophy? Or do we, should we always be, uh, prefacing when we talk about them with kind of who there as a person? Well, that was what that whole video was about? Like, to what extent does it matter that Kant was a huge, was a huge racist? I had a lot, I had a lot of fun with that video. If you want to look at up listeners, it's called Is Philosophy Just White Guys Jerking Off? And yeah, I don't think there's an easy answer to that question. I think there's kind of good ways of doing it and bad ways of doing it. If you like preface, if you're saying Kant was a racist and therefore, like, throw, just, he's cancelled. He's cancelled on Twitter.com. don't follow Kant, don't associate with him. Then I'm like, well, okay, you're going to be missing out on an important bit of philosophy and history philosophy. I think more interesting, and this is the stance I took in the video, is to say, Kant was a huge racist. How does that impact, how we read his philosophy and what we do with it? And I use the example of his sexism as well. Like his idea of autonomy,

1:46.1

the canteen idea of autonomy, you have to kind of have a second look at it once you realize

1:51.0

that he's deliberately excluding the experiences of anybody of any gender that isn't male,

1:56.6

particularly because a lot of the actual groundwork and support work that enables people's rational county and autonomy has historically been done by women and that's often overlooked.

2:04.6

So I think that's the more interesting take is like, well, okay, how do we revisit these philosophers in light of these ideas?

2:10.6

And I think Charles Mills has this great quote which I'll paraphrase probably abominably where he's like there is something

2:20.5

strange in spending an entire semester studying all kinds of ethical theories without ever

2:26.1

acknowledging that all of them were systematically violated for blacks something like that

2:29.9

I was like oh that's a really good point So the video is about like Charles Mills and Kant,

2:34.6

and I also created this character,

2:36.8

this Australian YouTuber called Ian N. Drivel,

2:40.7

who criticises Kant in very silly ways.

2:43.9

There's a cool moment at the end of the video

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