The Babe, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to your favorite podcast, babe. I'm your host

Laura Marie Shane Hall's and today I'm with fellow podcaster self-help guru, author, and like a huge career in the music industry prior to all of this,

it's Kathy Heller. This is so fun and for those you who are not sitting

with us right now this studio is in the most beautiful little courtyard I walked in and I was like this is Los Angeles at its like most charming it's oozing I'm so happy to be sitting here right I'm so happy that you're here. And then can I also say cut to you are

I was saying to Laura I'm like what do you think it is why your show is doing so well and I like talked over her four minutes I'm like oh it's because of you

like she's so cool she's cool like there are those people that you're like yeah we need to be

friends she's that person so I got it. Wow you're the best guest ever. But you are and then I'm just a reflection of it. So I get it. So I'm happy to be in this space because I can tell that the people who are listening right now,

everybody's sort of like a family because of you.

That's like your style.

So I think people who then tune in feel like they know you and connect with each other in like a deeper way so yeah

this is fun I feel like we're all like out of like a sleepover and it's like the

conversation just started to get good it's like two in the morning and we're

really like just talking real talk like I feel like that's your whole life.

We get into it.

Yeah, I don't have time really to like I talk I can like bullshit about a lot of things but

I really

to get as deep as possible.

Like quickly, sooner rather than later. Me too.

Wait, tell me a bit about yourself because I don't know that much about you.

Who the heck are you?

You have like a pretty juggernaut podcast you have a book coming out in two weeks

Oh my God and you like me started your podcast a couple years ago it's relatively new.

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