and What is the legacy of Henry Kissinger? Why hasn't the number of abortions declined and should boys who zealously support their football teams be

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like what you hear here please forget I said anything so MDD we've lost a giant Henry Kissinger who was influential in US foreign policy for the better

part of a century, extraordinary man, extraordinary career, complicated legacy, but you are someone who has a sometimes

takes a tragic view of life and this is one of the themes of Kitzinger's

statesmanship is that life sometimes presents just bad choices and you gotta

choose the best of the alternatives even if it isn't very good and he criticized the US for not having enough of this kind of tragic

mindset. Was he tragic enough for you or too tragic?

In some cases too tragic.

You know, listen, there are policies he pursued recommended and pursued that I

thought were wise there was someone they thought were criminal to be totally honest.

You know if I if I'm in 2023 if I'm criticizing the US government for not having, you know, a really solid

congressional writ for being in Syria on its current mission or in Nigeria on its current mission.

Of course I have the same complaint about what we did in Cambodia during the Vietnam War.

But I think, you know, Kissinger will also be known you know you know you know Richard Nixon's foreign policy

Was widely viewed to be a success. I mean he did get the US out of Vietnam. He did assist the Israelis in the Yamkpur war and then he did affect detente which arguably turn the tide of a cold war that was

rapidly going against us in the decade of the 1970s

So how did they turn the tide? Well one you broke the two you split apart the two biggest and most powerful parts of the communist block and then you began opening

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