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The Editors

Episode 601: Thanksgiving Special 2023

The Editors

National Review

Politics, Charles C. W. Cooke, Conservatism, Conservative, Policy, Government, News, Jim Geraghty, Rich Lowry, Michael Brendan Dougherty, Current Events, Noah Rothman, Madeleine Kearns, Society & Culture, Public Policy, National Review

4.44.6K Ratings

🗓️ 22 November 2023

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

Rich, Charlie, MBD, and Maddy reflect on Thanksgiving. What should we think of the pilgrims? Does Providence exist? If one could, would it be better to live in the past? And does anyone really like turkey?

Transcript

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How do we think about America's settler colonialists and should America be grateful to God?

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We'll discuss all this and more on the special Thanksgiving edition of the editors. I'm

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rich larry and joined as always by the right honorable Charles C. W. Cook,

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Madeline, Maddie Kearns, and the notorious M. B. D. Michael, Brendan Doherty,

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you are of course listening to a National View podcast.

0:34.4

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If you like what you hear here, please consider giving us a glowing five-star review on iTunes. If you don't like what you hear here, please forget I said anything. So, MBD, there's been a lot of debate about settler colonialism and the with the Gaza dispute the left

0:57.3

claims that the Israelis are settler colonialists that is not a label that I think fits them in any way but the pilgrims were

1:06.9

settler colonialists you had them show up here on a continent that they hoped to make a new home and did, ended up they

1:18.9

and the people who followed them taking over the entire continent, how should we think of them if they were indeed,

1:26.4

settler colonialists, should that dimmer view of them?

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No, not particularly. I think we should be very thankful for what they established here and very, I think we should still remain very proud of what they did. I mean contrary to popular belief the pilgrims that landed in

1:47.3

Plymouth in 1620 maintain friendly relations with natives in their colony for most of the first 50 years of the

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colony's existence, kind of only really, you know, that peace breaking down only a half, you know, around King Phillips

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war as the colony, you know, grew larger and larger, you know, the great, you know, the great, you know, the great tragedy for Native American civilization had happened much earlier in the

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Columbian exchange where you know European diseases killed such a huge

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portion of the continent's native population that was really the first big death blow and then you know the second death blow is another one that is sometimes

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unavoidable in the in the history of of peoples which is that a technologically superior civilization shows up and it makes your

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civilization and its myths, its rituals, its way of life defunct in a very short order by introducing

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unbelievable technological change in competition.

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This is not something to be sorry for and we owe a lot to the pilgrims culturally to this day America is still very much influenced.

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