Episode 58: We Hope Buying Jesse's Book Provides An Opportunity For Introspection And Growth
Blocked and Reported
Katie Herzog and Jesse Singal
4.6 • 4.1K Ratings
🗓️ 3 April 2021
⏱️ 56 minutes
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Summary
After Katie opens up about a gruesome injury and Jesse tells a story about a listener's travails at an upscale New York City climbing gym, the hosts discuss Jesse's book, which is out on Tuesday. Specifically, they dig into Comprehensive Soldier Fitness, an anti-PTSD Army program that doesn't work, and the implicit association test, an anti-racism test that... doesn't work. Also, it turns out both hosts are kinda scared of bridges, which feels like something they should dig into at some later date.
Show notes/Links:
Jesse's AMA on the subreddit about the book:
https://www.reddit.com/r/BlockedAndReported/comments/mhyflz/ask_me_anything_about_my_book_the_quick_fix_which/
Jesse's article on the implicit association test:
https://www.thecut.com/2017/01/psychologys-racism-measuring-tool-isnt-up-to-the-job.html
Jesse on the contact hypothesis:
https://www.thecut.com/2017/02/the-contact-hypothesis-offers-hope-for-the-world.html
The Robin DiAngelo episode:
https://barpodcast.fireside.fm/17
The Robin DiAngelo bonus episode, which is an interview between Katie and a survivor of one of these trainings:
https://barpodcast.fireside.fm/bonus2
Kelefa Sanneh on This American Life on diversity trainings:
https://www.thisamericanlife.org/648/unteachable-moment
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Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | If it isn't Katie Herzog, how's it going? |
| 0:06.0 | Hey Jesse, pretty good. |
| 0:07.2 | Although I had a little bit of a health scare this week. |
| 0:09.4 | Can I tell you about it? |
| 0:10.4 | Only if it's gross. |
| 0:11.6 | It's pretty disgusting. |
| 0:13.2 | Okay, so I discovered last week that I have a sort of lump, like a divot and a lump |
| 0:18.6 | on my pinky finger, and it just seemed to really come out of nowhere. |
| 0:22.9 | And because I suffer from what's commonly referred to as hypocondria, I went ahead and |
| 0:27.6 | I made a doctor appointment. |
| 0:29.2 | And so I go into the doctor and the doctor looks at my hand and sort of touches it a little |
| 0:33.5 | bit. |
| 0:34.5 | And it turns out that this divot lump tumor thing in my finger is a result of my phone, |
| 0:44.8 | the way that I hold my phone. |
| 0:47.6 | I have Twitter finger. |
| 0:50.1 | Oh God, that's horrible. |
| 0:51.8 | It is horrible. |
| 0:52.8 | I am like permanently maming myself because I spend so much time on my fucking cell phone. |
| 0:57.0 | Is there a cure? |
| 0:58.0 | Yeah, I just switched to my right hand. |
| 0:59.9 | But then you're going to get Twitter fingers on your right hand. |
| 1:02.3 | I will, but at least it will be balanced that way. |
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