Episode 521: Flirting with Fascism & Can Christians Be Patriots? with Richard Mouw

The Holy Post

Phil Vischer

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🗓️ 10 August 2022

⏱️ 91 minutes

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Summary

For centuries Americans have valued their liberty, but a growing number of conservatives are now saying cherished values like the freedom of speech, religion, and the press have allowed progressive beliefs to destroy the culture. In response, some Republicans and conservative Christian thinkers argue it’s time to abandon these failed American ideals and copy the fascist, illiberal strategies of leaders like Hungary’s Victor Orban to stop immigration, fight wokism, and to ensure the government supports Christian beliefs.

Then, a new article about the separation of families at the Southern border brings Phil to tears, and he pleads with evangelicals to not allow Trump near the presidency again. Skye interviews Dr. Richard Mouw about his new book, “How to Be a Patriotic Christian: Love of Country as Love of Neighbor.” They discuss godly versus idolatrous forms of patriotism, what the Bible says about the proper role of government, and debate whether churches should display flags and sing patriotic hymns.

Bonus Patreon news story - https://www.patreon.com/posts/70304989

News Segment
0:00 - Intro
3:38 - "How the American Right Fell in Love with Hungary"
39:22 - Trump administration's family separation policy

54:24 - With God Daily
https://withgoddaily.com/

Interview with Richard Mouw
"How to Be a Patriotic Christian: Love of Country as Love of Neighbor" - https://amzn.to/3QdVR9E

55:48 - Interview intro
57:10 - Talking with evangelicals about patriotism
59:27 - Defining Christian nationalism
01:01:07 - Healthy patriotism and familial language
1:04:26 - Romans 13 and governmental authority
1:17:49 - Patriotic symbols in worship services
1:30:59 - Credits

Other articles/resources mentioned:"How the American Right Fell in Love with Hungary" (The NYT Magazine)-https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/19/magazine/viktor-orban-rod-dreher.html"

The Secret History of Family Separation" (The Atlantic) - https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/09/trump-administration-family-separation-policy-immigration/670604/

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0:00.0	Welcome to The Holy Post. On today's episode, we explore why some conservatives, including Christian thinkers, are flirting with fascism.
0:08.0	They say that America's ideals of freedom and liberty have actually allowed progressive and non-Christian ideas to destroy our culture,
0:16.0	and it's better to abandon those ideas and use the government to force the country to be more Christian.
0:22.0	Are they right? Or is this a complete repudiation of everything we stand for?
0:27.0	Then Phil talks about a new article that actually brought him to tears about what happened at the Southern border under the Trump administration,
0:34.0	and argues that this is why we have to care about the character of our leaders.
0:39.0	Then I talked to Dr. Richard Mao about his new book, How to Be a Patriotic Christian, Love of Country as Love of Neighbor.
0:46.0	One more thing before we jump into the episode, this Friday we're releasing a new episode of our special series, What in the World,
0:53.0	where I talk to a different global Christian leader about a different aspect of the faith that we need to think about as American Christians.
1:00.0	This week the topic is the image of God and the seduction of idolatry, so don't miss that episode.
1:05.0	Okay, here is Holy Post 521.
1:08.0	Hey there, welcome back to the show. This is Phil. This is the Holy Post podcast. I am here with Caitlin Shes.
1:14.0	Hi Caitlin. Hi Phil. Hi Anne Sky, Jitani.
1:19.0	Or as you were your name several times at the Okabaji Bible conference last week, Sky Jitani.
1:26.0	Whatever. Just Sky. The goal is to just be Sky like share. Oh yeah. Oh no. Yeah.
1:34.0	Yeah, I don't know. Caitlin is doing so well. She might be closer to being just Caitlin than New York.
1:40.0	No Sky is so much more of a distinctive name. Caitlin is like the Jessica of 90s babies.
1:48.0	With a with with a K though over there a lot of seeds. Oh no, there's so many spellings. There's like 25 spellings.
1:54.0	Yeah, 25. You need to come up change your name to a new spelling that no one has, you know, like with a J and an L and a P in it.
2:01.0	I already have the worst last name to spell, so I don't think that would help.
2:06.0	You should drop all the vowels like the weekend. Yeah. KT L. Can you use the Y or is it sometimes Y? So can we use the Y?
2:16.0	Yes, that's operating as a vowel though. Okay, we can't use the Y KT L and clun.
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