The Jimmy Kimmel Fiasco, after national attention, finally lit a fire under enough sort of Democratic voters' tuckus that they all rallied to get in back on the air. That was the thing. Not Mahmoud Khalil, not, you know, all the journalists, a president of number of journalists have been killed in gossip, but that's neither here nor there. I don't think that you're being fair.

I think people were very angry about those other things too.

I don't, I just think they didn't have a level. I do, I do. I think that they're, they just didn't have leverage. Not all the same people, but. You know, the question of leverage is not what. Disney made a very clear, Disney made a very clear calculation. They just were like,

it is less profitable to kick Jimmy Koehl off the air than not because the liberals are mad.

I could argue that the uncommitted campaign and many of us who were saying, well, our votes for

Kamala Harris or Joe Biden should be contingent on whether or not they support an arms embargo, for instance, against Israel, is very much a form of leverage that so many people weren't able, weren't willing to exercise because they were maybe legitimately, maybe not, held by the threat of Donald Trump being in office. But the argument that some of us were making

was that you're basically setting him up to win because there's a non-zero number of people

who will not under any circumstances vote for someone supporting a genocide. You were right about that.

And I agreed with that. I'm just saying that I think it's a different situation because

it's not like he is in power now, right? You weren't, you know, there was a, there was an argue. They could say, oh, you don't want to get Donald Trump in power, but he is in power. So it's just a different situation. You can't unsubscribe to Disney Plus to get, you know, to stop the genocide in Israel. I wish you could, right? Yes, then no. there's also the BDS movement, right? No, the answer is no. You can't. That is not a, like, you are not going to stop Israel by unsubscribing to Disney Plus. There is also, there is also BDS. And BDS has never had the level of traction that something like the unsubscribe movement, the unsubscribe movement had. And with good reason, right?

It's also been actively vilified and criminalized by the state who over the course of not just

this recent Trump administration has made your ability to get government contracts contingent

on never joining a BDS pledge and all of those other kinds of things. So that's not neither here or there, but I would say the fact that the government has tried to

disincentifies people and make even illegal support, the support of BDS, suggests that there is

real power there that they observe. They know how much boycott movements helped in ending

apartheid in South Africa. And they know

that that movement could be applied in other circumstances and are fighting against it.

I agree with you. And I think they are doing this because they are afraid that these things are

popular. All I'm saying, the only thing I'm, I think of a very narrow claim, which is that people

were really mad about the Jimmy Kimmel thing because they felt like it was an attack on their ability to express themselves

and i think there is also a broad anger at these other things that are going on and it's it and that's

the reason there's such harsh like pushback on it it's because they know that the public is not standing for it, right?

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