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Today on this show is a good one, y'all. I get to talk with my friend Shane Claiborne. Shane is a speaker and activist, a best-selling author. Y'all get this. He's worked with Mother Teresa and Calcutta Mother Teresa.

And he founded the Simple Way in Philadelphia. Shane is a champion for Grace, which has led him to places like jail. Yes, actual jail as he advocates for the homeless and to places like Iraq and Afghanistan to stand against war.

Shane heads up red letter Christians of movement of folks who are committed to living as if Jesus meant the things he said. His latest book, I've read a lot of his stuff. This is my favorite.

It's called rethinking life, embracing the sacredness of every person. It released in February. And it explores the battle between life and death that goes as far back as the Garden of Eden.

This moving and timely book creates a larger framework for thinking about God's love and our faith as we embrace a consistent ethic that values human life from womb to tomb.

I think you're going to find this one really interesting. So here is my conversation with my friend Shane Claiborne.

Hey y'all, staff boss Ashley here. Don't worry, nothing's wrong. We just gave Annie the afternoon off and then realized there was one more thing we wanted to say before we dive into this conversation.

And so here I am. This conversation between Annie and Shane is important and thought provoking and also due to the nature of some of the topics that they discuss, things like gun violence, sexual abuse, abortion, murder.

We just wanted to go ahead and give you a heads up about that upfront so that if any of those topics are tender for you, you can proceed with the sensitivity that we always encourage each other to have with our own hearts.

And that you can also make that decision now for any many BFF ears who may be in close proximity.

Shane Claiborne, welcome to that sounds fun.

Hey, I'm so excited to be here. Thank you. You have got to know what a fan I am. I mean, for years, I've been watching you in the least creepy way.

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