M-S-W media.

So, Asha, is the judge's finding that there's fraud committed

by the Trump Organization, the end of the Trump organization as we know it?

Eh, it's complicated.

I'm Asheringapappa. I teach National Security Law at Yale University. I'm a former

FBI Special Agent and I'm a legal contributor for ABC News. And I'm Renata Mariati. I'm a former federal prosecutor, a practicing lawyer, and a legal

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So, I'm glad that this fraud trial is getting the attention that it deserves this week, because I think that we've become so fixated on criminal liability and people have

been fantasizing for so long about seeing Trump in an orange jump suit that sometimes it can seem as

though these civil suits are irrelevant or don't matter. But this one has some pretty severe implications.

Yeah, absolutely. I think that this case in general,

us has been a focused on these criminal indictments and criminal trials

that often this is like an afterthought or a footnote. And I really think this is really important.

I mean a typical civil case where you have, let's say,

a lawsuit for damages, let's say the E-Gene Carroll case,

which is obviously reprehensible conduct it was a crime right to

assault someone, sexually assault someone. Nonetheless it's about money. This is about

so much more when it comes to potential remedies, potentially finding a

ruling that the Trump organization can't do business in New York, so very

significant and I really think also that this is a result that we're seeing in part

because Trump has so many legal problems elsewhere. In other words, I think Trump's legal team

knew that it was facing war on many fronts and this was sort of like a

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