Greatings dear listeners, this is Jonah Goldberg, this is another episode of the Remnant

podcast. This week's episode is brought to you by Shaden Freud, more about that later.

Meanwhile, we decided that since we're doing a couple of reasons why we have our guest today,

first because the president has decided that he can pardon himself and that he is the absolute

right to pardon himself and everyone's talking about this stuff and then there was the masterpiece

cake thing of a Bob thing. I don't mean to drown you in technical jargon. There's a lot of ways

to slice that one. And third because we had Ben Shapiro on the podcast recently and there was a huge

groundswell for more Shapiro on here and so that's why we have Ilia Shapiro here from the Cato Institute.

He is what's your title over there? Senior fellow in constitutional studies. Okay. As we know,

there are no junior fellows in Washington. That's right. Although there's also that rule. I think

Kinsley was the first one to write about it that the at least in government, the longer your title,

the less important your job. Right? So president is just one word but the assistant deputy secretary

to the undersecretary for framphro and kuhnestray studies. You know that's someone who doesn't really

matter. It's sort of like on panels in Washington. You can always tell the relative importance of a person

by looking at the panel and seeing who's furiously going over or writing notes before they speak

versus the person who just is like glad handing walks in and sits down and starts talking.

But enough Washington sociology for now. Welcome. Welcome. Good to be on. Long time listener. It's

part of my daily commute. Well, you know, it's a weekly podcast. I'm not part of my daily

commute necessarily but a long time listener, first time guest. Yeah, I'm happy to have you and I

think you're the, oh, you're the second kato guy here. Yeah. Well, Linsa come. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

But you know, he's down in North Carolina. Right. Right. You know, spending hours per nacho in

preparation. So he's an asterisk. I'm the first person from the kato mothership to be honest.

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