Hello, and thank you for listening to The History of World War II podcast, Episode

433, a two episode special, first an interview with Andrew Nagorsky about his book, Saving

Freud, and then we continue with the de-app raid with Hero or Madman.

Mr. Nagorsky, a longtime favorite of this podcaster, has written such books as 1941, the year

Germany lost the war, the greatest battle, covering the battle of Moscow and the Nazi hunters.

Today we cover the incredible story of Sigmund Freud's escape from Vienna after the Nazis

had taken over there.

Mr. Nagorsky, thank you very much for being with us today.

Thank you, Ray, a pleasure to be here.

First of all, full disclosure, I'm a big fan, I'll try very hard not to geek out, but

I loved all your previous books, and I'm just very excited.

One that you wrote this particular book, and we'll get into that, and two that I get

a chance to talk to you about it, so let's, if we could, let's just jump into this and

let's tease the audience a little bit.

So it's March 15, 1938, three days after the Nazis had marched into Austria.

Now most of us would be thinking these guys are pretty bad, they're pretty brutal, let's

get out of town while they're getting good.

But there was one man in particular who did not want to leave Vienna, Austria, even though

the Nazis are coming in, and he's not exactly your average Austrian.

In fact, he is probably the most famous, he's the most famous person in Vienna, and maybe

aside from the politicians and people like Hitler, the most famous public figure in Europe

and even in the, and very well-known in the United States, that's Sigmund Freud, these 81

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