48.

I'm excited to be having a conversation with someone when they have that revolution.

It's making sure pretty huge.

You mean you could get a source for it?

Yeah, the telegraph.

From One World Trade Center in Manhattan, this is the New Yorker Radio Hour, a co-production of WNYC Studios and The New Yorker.

Welcome to The New Yorker Radio Hour. I'm David Remnick. John Lewis is a 30-year veteran of Congress,

and you might think that surviving in Washington that long would be his

biggest accomplishment. But it isn't. Lewis is a lion of the civil rights movement. He's a

protege of Martin Luther King, one of the original Freedom Riders, and when he was just 23 years old,

he helped plan the march on Washington. I'll talk with Lewis about King, about JFK,

and surviving all those years in Congress a little later in the hour.

But first up, another line of his field, a songwriter who probably needs no introduction,

Paul Simon.

When Simon played Bridge Over Troubled Water at the Democratic National Convention just a couple of weeks ago,

it was especially poignant because he had just announced in the pages of the New York Times

that he might just retire from music entirely, maybe when his fall tour is over.

Simon sat down with Paul Muldoon, the poet, and poetry editor of the magazine at the New Yorker Festival in 2013.

Thank you.

Listen, the focus today is on the art of songwriting.

It seems to me that we are profoundly interested in, engaged by, excited by how things get made,

be it the guitar itself, and be it in this case the song.

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