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Episode 41: The rise and fall of Ottoman Jewry with Dr. Hay Eytan Cohen Yanarocak

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Haviv Rettig Gur

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🗓️ 7 September 2025

⏱️ 78 minutes

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Summary

The first Jews to become subjects of the Ottoman Empire lived in Greek-speaking western Anatolia during the Ottoman conquests of the region in the early 1300s. The next seven centuries of Turkish-Jewish interaction were mostly a story of Turkish tolerance rooted in the Jews’ usefulness to the empire.


For example, when Ferdinand and Isabella expelled the Jews from Spain in 1492, Sultan Bayezid II sent his navy to offer them safe transport into his empire. The Jews were considered a talented and industrious population, so much so that Bayezid is reputed to have quipped about the Spanish expulsion of them, “You call Ferdinand a wise king, he who impoverishes his country and enriches mine!”


But this tolerance was always conditioned on the Jews’ subservient status as dhimmi, or protected class, under the Ottoman “millet” system.


In the 19th century, a series of reforms meant to strengthen the flagging empire in the face of growing European power instituted legal equality for minorities, broke down the old social hierarchies — and as with the removal of ghetto restrictions on the Jews of Europe, made the Jews’ situation more precarious.


In our first focused treatment of Sephardi Jewry, we dive into this history with Tel Aviv University historian Hay Eytan Cohen Yanarocak, born in Istanbul and a scion of that centuries-old community.


This episode is sponsored by Jeff and Masha Gershman who asked that we share a story of Jewish bravery on or since 10/7 so that we all might be reminded not just of our pain and anxiety but also of our individual and collective strengh. In consultation with the Gershmans we chose to share the story of Nitai Meisels, one of the friends Rachel and I lost in Gaza. Master Sergeant (Res.) Nitai Meisels, 30, was killed on December 24, 2023 by an anti-tank missile fired at his tank in the Gaza Strip during a mission to locate hostages. He volunteered to be in the formation’s front tank.


Nitai is survived by his parents Ayala and Eitan, his sisters Adi and Oriya and brother Aviad and their spouses and children. This episode is publishing close to Nitai’s birthday on vav Tishrei on the Hebrew calendar, which falls this year on September 28. If Nitai had survived the fighting he would be turning 32 this year.


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Musical intro by Adam Ben Amitai.

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0:00.0

Hi everybody. Welcome to Ask Haviv Anything.

0:08.0

I'm coming to you from Chicago. And today we're going to try and do something kind of cool.

0:14.0

We're going to take a deep dive into the Jews of the Ottoman Empire.

0:20.0

Jews in the 20th and 21st centuries are surprisingly

0:23.0

forgetful of history and now they need that history to understand the dramatic

0:28.9

and traumatic things that are happening, changes that are happening and so we're

0:34.0

trying to do that. We're trying to say Jews, hi, how you doing? Here's your history.

0:39.9

And history, of course, is complicated. It's many layered. There are many different histories,

0:44.3

many different experiences. Within the narrow confines of a not large Jewish community, you'll

0:49.0

find radically different narratives, radically different experiences, none of them mistaken.

0:54.8

You know, sometimes they're actually mistaken ones, but many times, many, many different

0:58.9

sides are correct, are accurate and are saying something important.

1:03.9

This podcast so far has dealt almost exclusively with Ashkenazi Jewish history.

1:08.7

We dealt a little bit with, you know, really only in passing with the mass migrations to Israel of Mizrahi Jews, Jews from the various parts of the Muslim world.

1:17.3

But really not as serious history, almost just to serve other issues, other questions, polemics.

1:24.3

There are a couple of reasons for this.

1:25.8

The first reason is that this is a podcast about telling the story of the Jews to diaspora Jews, the vast majority of whom speak English, and the vast majority of the English-speaking Jews are Ashkenazi Jews. The vast majority of French-speaking diaspora Jews are Mizrahi or Sephardi, by the way. The second reason is

1:45.9

the Muslim world Jews, the Jews who came from the Muslim world, made up about a million Jews

1:51.8

at the end of the 19th century, at the founding of political Zionism. European Jews were more than

1:57.4

ten times that many. And the great migration waves, the great destruction,

2:03.1

the first generation of the founders of Israel and of Zionism,

2:07.9

these are by and large Ashkenazi events.

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