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COURTSIDE with Neal Katyal

Episode 4 (original 2020 series)

COURTSIDE with Neal Katyal

Neal Katyal

Politics, News, Society & Culture

4.9614 Ratings

🗓️ 22 January 2021

⏱️ 4 minutes

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Summary

November 10, 2020


A deep dive into the Trumpist theory that state legislatures like Pennsylvania’s can just throw out last week’s election and appoint electors themselves. It’s baloney, to use the technical legal term.


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0:00.0

Hey everyone, welcome to court side, where we're discussing the post-election day litigation brought by Donald Trump.

0:07.0

We are one week after the election, seven days. Donald Trump has filed 10 lawsuits. He's lost all 10 of them.

0:15.0

We got no new court decisions today, but we did get a whopper. We got Secretary of State Michael Pompeo promising a, quote,

0:23.0

smooth transition to a second Trump administration. This is the modern-day birther movement. It

0:30.1

lacks the racism, to be sure, but it has the same flat-earth quality of the birthers. There's

0:36.0

no chance any of this talk is going anywhere.

0:38.9

The big development today is talk by some Republicans that state legislatures can just pick

0:45.2

the electors to the electoral college and throw out last week's vote. So deep dive alert,

0:51.0

this is what we're going to talk about today, just this. That's totally wrong.

0:54.7

So you all know about the electoral college thing, the idea that we don't vote directly for the president,

1:00.1

we vote for electors, and then the electors pick the president.

1:04.1

Now, the parts of the Republican Party that can't read, which is sadly looking like more

1:09.6

and more of them these days, are saying,

1:11.1

okay, well, let's have our state legislatures throw out the vote, and let's have the legislatures

1:16.7

pick pro-Trump electors to the electoral college.

1:20.4

And in a legislature like Pennsylvania that is controlled by Republicans, that could, in

1:26.2

theory, swing the state.

1:28.0

So here's what the Constitution says about this.

1:30.0

It says two things.

1:31.0

First, it says the state, quote, shall appoint its slate of electors in such a manner as the legislature thereof may direct.

1:39.6

So a state legislature could, in theory, not hold a popular election, though everyone for many, many years has, but they could do it some other way.

1:47.0

But here's the thing. Constitution also has a separate clause. It says Congress shall have the power quote to determine the time of choosing electors, the time of choosing electors.

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