Hello, I'm Adrienne Dob.

And I'm Moimer Donigan.

And whether we like it or not, we're in bed with the right.

So, Adrienne, today we are talking about the meme wars of 2024.

That is, we're talking about the way that the internet and online culture and the communities and vernaculars that emerge there affect our political scene. And we have probably the best person as our guest today to talk about that with Morgan Sung. Morgan,

thank you so much for joining us. Oh, thanks for having me. This is great. So we should say

Morgan is a tech journalist specializing in the intersection of digital culture and politics.

She hosts the podcast Close All Tabs, which is an election podcast series from KQED here in San Francisco. And I've

liked her work for a long time. I think I first came across your reporting on the hounding of

Miss Rachel, the popular children's entertainer who my daughter is a huge fan of. And so like

this one hit home. Justice for Miss Rachel. um i and i also wanted to shout out your

take on meta's twitter clone threads which you know we were just saying came out 48 hours after

that product launched and to my mind still remains the definitive verdict on why it was never

going to go anywhere, right?

And the title is, you can't post ass, Threads is doomed.

And, yeah, that says it all.

And, you know, I really wish that Threads was more fun than it is,

because I would love a lifeboat off of Twitter right now.

Oh, my goodness, yeah.

So we should say right off the bat that, like, this isn't necessarily, of course, a new

conversation.

One of the things I really love about close all tabs is that you really get into the long

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