I'm excited to be having a conversation with someone.

When they have that revelation, it's making the show.

Packer seems to be interested in that.

John McPhee has brought this up.

From One World Trade Center in Manhattan, this is the New Yorker Radio Hour, a co-production of WNYC Studios and The New Yorker.

I'm David Remnick, and thanks for tuning into the New Yorker Radio Hour.

We've got a lot lined up for you this hour.

The writer George Saunders talks about his time on the Trump campaign trail and it gets

really weird. And I'll talk with Nick Denton, the founder of Gawker, about that website's remarkable

rise and the lawsuit that's put its existence in jeopardy. But first, summer is here. And maybe,

if you're really lucky, you pack the kids off to camp for a few weeks.

And here's Parker Posey, who has a few words about Elliot.

Dear camp counselor, hello, my name is Grace Eldridge.

I'm Ellie's mother.

Elliot's father and I are thrilled that he will be spending

a summer with you at Camp Chautauqua. As this is Elliot's first time at Sleepaway Camp, I wanted to let

you know a few things about him so that you will be prepared to look after him properly. For starters,

Elliot does not like to be called L or Ellie. He prefers Elliot. He may insist that you refer to him as clawed death or the

night crawler. Don't. That conversation won't end well. Elliot loves the outdoors and animals.

Feel free to let him near any animal that is larger than his mouth. Generally, it is best to avoid

making eye contact with Elliot. If you look directly at him, he will take it as a sign of aggression and charge at you.

It is best not to let Elliot smell you.

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