Bienvino's. That's California for welcome to the April 10th edition of National Reviews Radio Free California Podcast.

I'm Will Swain, president of the California Policy Center. You can find my colleagues and me at

California Policy Center.org. You can find my friend and co-host David Bonson right here, but just about everywhere.

He's an economist, the host of the Capitol Record podcast, then the author of full-time work and the meaning of life.

And of course, he's founder of the eponymous investment firm, the Bonson Group. Hello, David.

Will, how are you, my friend?

I'm like almost everybody else in the planet right now. Just a wee bit confused. Before we dive

into lots of things about tariffs, I just wanted to celebrate your conversation with Mike

Roe. Our friend over at Mike Row works, that's not Micro, but Mike Roe. Our friend over at Mike Roe works. That's not micro, but Mike

Rowe works. There we go. He and Chuck Klausmeyer had you on for his The Way I

Heard It podcast. And you described it as the best interview you've ever had. Well, the best

interviewer I've ever had. And I,

I mean, so that made it, it made it one of the most enjoyable podcast interviews I've ever done. And

so, you know, lately, like I don't know, since full time, my last book came out. And just over the,

you know, last several years, I've really been blessed to do a lot of different podcasts that I've enjoyed. And, and this one was different. Like, there was just something

about the flow of the conversation. The topics he went to were different. I don't, I don't

normally that personal. And he, he went, you know, we had a nice personal conversation,

but Mike did a really good job. I enjoyed the talk of a great deal. That podcast is underlying message.

Now, you talk about someone being pro worker. You know, I consider trying to take down the global

economy in the name of being pro worker so you can rebuild it under unionization to not be

pro work, just as a hypothetical example as a counter-narrative. I think what

Mike Rose doing is incredibly pro-work and he gets it, starts the dignity of the worker, sees it as

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