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Prescription charges may apply if treatment is supplied. Hello and welcome to Forever 35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I'm Dori Shafrier. And I'm Elise, Hugh, and we're just two friends who like to talk a lot about serums. And today we have a very special guest, Vanessa Grigoriatus, who I have known for a very long time. She

is a, she was a long time journalist, a magazine writer. She started writing for New York

magazine in like her early 20s. She wrote some iconic magazine pieces that if you read New York

magazine in the late 90s and 2000s, you undoubtedly have read.

She also wrote for Vanity Fair and Rolling Stone and like all the blue chip big magazines.

And then a few years ago, she started a podcast company and she's done some amazing narrative

podcasts and now she's a brand new podcast.

So we will get to her a little later in the show, but we had a really interesting

conversation with her, not so like a little bit about magazine journalism, but mostly

about taking care of aging parents, which is also the topic of her new show.

Yeah, and it's a topic on a lot of our minds right now just by dinner, our age group, right?

Like, this is the generation.

Like, women between 35 and 45 or up are trying to balance so much.

It's like you often have children still at home and your parents are kind of getting

into that age where they're like,

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