Hello, I'm Adrienne Dob.

And I'm Mora Dodd again.

And whether we like it or not, we're in a bit with the right.

So, Adrian, what do we have on our plate for today?

Today, we're going to be talking about science fiction, a genre that is near and dear to my heart.

And I actually don't entirely know how you feel about it. Are you a closet science fiction fan?

I am not. You know, I have not really indulged a ton in science fiction. I've seen all the

Star Wars movies, and I could probably tell you the plot to like one of them, maybe half of one.

I think it's the same plot each time, but yeah.

My nerd side really is more into fantasy, like dragons, wizards, that kind of thing, which is

really like a past-oriented kind of imaginary world.

And I felt a little lame after our conversation

because I really got excited by what science fiction

enables in terms of imagining the future.

You know, I felt like I had this kind of stunted,

conservative imaginary after talking to you guys about science fiction.

Yeah, as our guest, Jordan Carroll, points out in the book that we'll be talking about,

speculative whiteness, science fiction, and the old right, there's something a little bit

surprising about the fact that neo-Nazis of all stripes would be drawn to science fiction stories.

They tend to be about imagining a radically

different and maybe better future. They tend to be pretty disrespectful of established hierarchies.

Kind of feels like a leftist domain, like a liberal domain. And yet he shows that basically between,

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