Green Party Internal Dynamics and so forth became an impediment.

They can go off and do their thing, fine.

But she ended up running anyway. I had no idea she was going to run anyway, right?

When we were working together, I had no idea she was going to end up, right? When we were working together, I had no idea. She's going to end up, right?

From an outsider's perspective, it seemed like she wasn't planning to run that she and others, as you described.

She said she's addicted to running so that in the end maybe why do you say that the whole time?

Maybe in the end she was going to run the whole time.

Didn't she and Chris Hedges and a bunch of people actively recruit you to be the ticket

to toper for the Green Party? You mean she as Vice President? What do you mean?

When you say, no, no, I'm saying wasn't she part of the effort to recruit you to be the top of the Grand Party candidate?

Chris came forward and then talked to her and so we're thinking that we're all going to come together, unified left, we

already had these 17 states and we're on our way to 50. That's what the understanding was. I had no idea that she would end up running for the

Green Party. Now, if she had said so, I'm going to run against you? I'm going to run against you.

So are you saying that before you left the Green Party,

she was still planning to compete with you within the Green Party to be the Green Party nominee?

Or did she decide to run after you left the Green Party?

Well, all I'm saying is she was addicted to running.

She said that to us explicitly. Very candid. I'm addicted to running beginning in 20 so and so and so and so.

And who knows, you know, exactly what was on her mind. I mean, I was told by some folks that maybe from the very beginning, it was going to be a matter of just being used and manipulated for an expansion of the

party and then pushing me out.

Now I was told that by Peter and others.

Now Peter and her supposed to be so close but it turns

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